A Perfect Circle
an interview with
Billy Howerdel

By Max Michaels

Thirteenth Step, the sophomore album by A Perfect Circle binges and purges the boundaries of rock. Sweet melodic harmonies smothered in twisted guitar rifts, and untouchable vocals. An indefinable merging of style and sound. A Perfect Circle stands quite alone in their own new genre of rock. Shedding the skin of being considered just a 'side project' of one or more of the bands more recognizable members (the band consisting of members of TOOL, Marilyn Manson, The Vandals and Smashing Pumpkins), A Perfect Circle triumphantly rises a step above the lofty heights their first album reached and emerge, seemingly effortlessly, as an undeniable power house all their own.

Though a little jet-lagged after just getting back from Japan, founding member Billy Howerdel was kind enough to take the time to talk to me about the new album, new members, the current tour, and his feelings on the media's insatiable need to categorize the band as a 'supergroup.'


Thanks for speaking with me. How was Japan?

"It was great. The shows were really good. Really small. 650 the first night. 1000 the second night. It's definitely a different place. When you go to Europe you can kind of make some stuff out on signs everywhere, but when you're in Japan you definitely are humbled. Even just trying to find out where to go."


How did the small pre-tour club tour here go?
"That was really fun. Just having the new band and being in clubs is fun anyway. You don't make a lot of money, or you lose a ton of money. But, it was a blast."


How are you feeling about this new record?
"I feel really good. It will be the first time we're in the states, we haven't toured in the states since it's been released, so I'm kind of excited about that you know? People just have a chance to get familiar with it for a second."


So you're happy with the progression of this album from the last?
"Yeah, yeah, I think so. It feels good to me. I'm still even excited about the next record and the next one. But it feels like the next step for us for sure. No pun intended."


A few new members have joined the group. Tell me about that.
"I had known Jeordie from touring with NIN when I used to work for them. He was just on his first tour with Manson. And then Josh bumped into him at a New Years Eve party this year. He needed a band, we needed a bass player and it kind of just fit.
James, you know, I had known from a long time ago, and we had toured with Smashing Pumpkins in Canada in 2000. And you know, everyone became friends with him and when we needed a guitar player his name just seemed to click with everyone. He came on just right after we got done with the record so he's been on every show so far. Every show on the new tour."


How has this tour been going in comparison from the last?
"Good. Just whole different thing. For the most part in the States we've been doing a bunch of club shows, and we did Lollapalooza. Then Europe, and Japan. So it's been really good. We're using a different stage setup, so it feels different to boot. But then you know, having two new members has a new, kind of unidentifiable dynamic."


How did you get started in music?
"I started doing lighting, before I did anything I did stage lighting for some stuff. I lived in New Jersey so I worked on plays and corporate shows and rock shows around that area. From there, I started working for bands and at the same time, well right before that I got a guitar and just started playing. A good friend of mine, one of my best friends knew how to play guitar and I had just always been envious or just would hear him play and thought it was cool. Just started slow and just picked up a guitar and then uh, actually once I got a real guitar just that's all I did was play guitar and just wanted to focus on it. From there I started working for bands doing lighting for them more concentrated. And just got frustrated not being around a guitar all the time because that's all I wanted to do was play guitar and be around it so I just wound up starting guitar teching. It's kind of like the next step up the food chain in the crew scenario. And from there just got more involved. It gave me more time to write. I went on tour with a band and brought a little portable studio with me. So you know, a lot of the songs I've written have been all over the world. A little piece here, a little piece there. They all kind of have this personal history to them, that I guess no one will really know, you know? So it makes it a little bit more special to me if I get to really reflect back and go that part was written in Sydney, Australia, this one was in Birmingham, Alabama, this one was…."


So the music is almost a virtual tour of your life.
"Yeah, it's like a traveling diary. And you know, from there I didn't really think I wanted to be in a band for a long time, or I wasn't pushing for it, and as of like '96… last time I was a guitar tech was in '96 and that was with David Bowie, and I saved up some money to just go get an apartment and write some songs for a while and just take a stab at solidifying them. And from there I got kind of, I don't know, I started working for Guns and Roses which was supposed to be very part time and it wound up being two and a half years. But it was really good, I learned a lot about being in the studio, I had never concentrated on studio work until that gig. I was mostly doing live stuff and learned a lot about engineering. And I wound up just being a Pro Tools engineer for them and saved up enough money to really finance this whole band, to do Perfect Circle. You know, buy gear for people, rent rehearsal places, buy them lunch, wind up getting a T-shirt line together, mix the record, and present Virgin with a finished product. And I ran out of money right at the end and Maynard chipped in and between he and I we just kind of financed it ourselves."
  

Tell me if I'm wrong on this, you had actually written most of it on your laptop I guess and you just kind of let him listen to it at one point.
"Well, back then it was just on a four track. A four track cassette."


And that's when Maynard got involved right?
"Yeah, and then I got a computer like right around the time I started working with Tool."


So on the first record, as I understand it, you wrote the majority of the music. On the second one was it more of an overall band contribution, or was it primarily one or two of you?
"Well, Maynard and I wrote the songs again for the most part.  But you know, there was more, the guys were around for more of it. Like the last time, Paz played on one of the songs. But as far as parts, I guess I wrote all the parts except for Troy's two solos on that record. And this time there was more elaborating by other people. There was parts written but they definitely put their feel into it more. Then you know there's some songs that we really all wrote together. I think the next record will be even more of a collaborative effort. I like the way it felt just getting all into a room and just all writing together."


How do you feel about your brainchild being branded as a 'supergroup.'
"I guess it could be called worse, or better. I guess you could say that it's like the word 'fuck', you know, you could say it in the worst way or in the best way. So it's like being called a bunch of fucks."


What has been the most exciting thing of being in Perfect Circle so far?
"You know, just the whole thing. I feel really fortunate to be able to write music and make it a career. I think we've had a great amount of success, I guess in the style of music we play is surprising."


How would you categorize your music? I've heard it called Goth, or Industrial, or Rock, or all of this. People use a million different ways to categorize it. What style would you say it is? 
"Well, I don't know, I just think… Rock band, you know? I just went through passport control, and it was like this:
'You're in a band?'
'Yeah.'
'What kind?'
'Rock Band.'
'All right.'
It can mean so many things but… I don't know. You know, just, it's a Rock band. Kind of ethereal at times, but.. I don't know about Industrial…"


Being an American band do you get any negative reactions touring overseas? Because of the political climate in the world?
"No. You know, Maynard has his own personal views that he expresses on stage whenever we're outside of America that probably expresses how he feels about it so people get an idea. I've never, I don't think people like to talk about politics too much which I'm glad, as far as a rock thing. I just don't think they mix well. This isn't a political band, and I guess people respect that."


I've interviewed a few bands that have had negative reactions even though they're not political, just because of where they're from.
"No, I kind of walk around, if I'm not with the band let's say I'm just walking around wherever, say Germany, or France or something. It definitely feels that you could be scrutinized, I wouldn't want to parade around as an American, you never know who's out there. But no, I didn't feel it this time."


I saw you in San Francisco and you played the Cure's 'Love Song.' I wouldn't mind hearing again. Any plans for that on this tour and are you guys planning on doing the majority of the stuff from the new album?
"It's kind of, I'd say split in half pretty well. I just played [Love Song} for James and Jeordie the other day. They were like, 'What the hell is that?'"


Yeah, it is good. You guys should definitely do that again, and as often as possible.


Thirteenth Step is available now on Virgin Records
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